From David Deangelo
's mailbag
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Hey David;
I'm an older guy and not in a great
hurry to double my dating but I do enjoy your
newsletter. I am analyzing this wuss thing that
men seem to do mainly because I am was so guilty
of it myself. It is through your newsletter that I
am managing to control it. Why is it that so many
men seem to do this? They treat women like gods
or queens and that is not how they want to be
treated!........
I did what you tell all the guys. I stopped calling
everyday and snuck in chauvinistic jabs. One
example was her relating to me that her son wants
to attend a co-ed college or dorm because he wants
to room with a girl that will take care of him
while he is away from home. Before reading your
newsletter I would not have responded with "well
that's what they are for isn't it?" I got the
smack on the arm and a warning to watch it but we
seem to be relating a lot better than we did
before.
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REALLY think hard about this. On the Fallout Central podcasts, commentators always complain about the jokes about Asian Americans, and that the jokes lead to stereotypes and discrimination, and even violence against Asian Americans.
Extract this rationale to "flirting" above, PRAISED by a top seduction guru. Men joke, and then men internalize these jokes. In such a situation, where women's attraction switches are triggered by men acting chauvinistically, then what is the future for feminism?
Thursday, August 30, 2007
Wednesday, August 29, 2007
Surprise?
Mrs. Teen USA South Carolina does justice to her gender.
Is it such a surprise given that on the Facebook Traveller IQ challege, Men have an average score of 107, while women have a 98? There were NO women in the top 15 last time I checked.
Hey, can anyone say visuo-spatial grey matter disparity?
Is it such a surprise given that on the Facebook Traveller IQ challege, Men have an average score of 107, while women have a 98? There were NO women in the top 15 last time I checked.
Hey, can anyone say visuo-spatial grey matter disparity?
Sunday, August 19, 2007
! (Part Two)
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8/18/07
Cops: He murdered his baby
Port Richmond Father accused of sexually abusing 2-month-old son before killing him
"Wallace (black guy) was arrested late Thursday, after the city medical examiner ruled earlier this week that the death of Joseph A. Wallace Jr. on May 18 was a homocide. An autopsy revealed that the boy died from internal bleeding caused by a blow to the head, and had also suffered lacerations and bruising of his rectum, police said."
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Everyone should have a right to reproduce, right?
8/18/07
Cops: He murdered his baby
Port Richmond Father accused of sexually abusing 2-month-old son before killing him
"Wallace (black guy) was arrested late Thursday, after the city medical examiner ruled earlier this week that the death of Joseph A. Wallace Jr. on May 18 was a homocide. An autopsy revealed that the boy died from internal bleeding caused by a blow to the head, and had also suffered lacerations and bruising of his rectum, police said."
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Everyone should have a right to reproduce, right?
A Night Out, II
So, went out to a pretty ghetto club in NYC last night to get in touch with the "masses" and take a break from the snobby investment bankers and princesses that I usually find in my typical nightspots. Some notes:
1) Fat chicks - everywhere. God damn, at least 2/3 of the girls in the club were seriously overweight. And the guys were still stepping to them. Yuck. Dammit, woman, don't have children if you can't shed the weight afterwards.
2) No techno :(
3) Gropping. Yeah, I got virtually molested by the security guard before he let me in, checking every crevice for a concealed weapon. Damn. So minorities committ more crimes because they are arrested at a higher rate, right? Man, I don't even get touched by the bouncer whenever I go to a predominantly asian party.
4) The cover - 20$. Pretty sizeable for this "oppressed" group of minorities, right? So they don't have money to buy themselves books, but they can spend it on bling and drinking apparently.
1) Fat chicks - everywhere. God damn, at least 2/3 of the girls in the club were seriously overweight. And the guys were still stepping to them. Yuck. Dammit, woman, don't have children if you can't shed the weight afterwards.
2) No techno :(
3) Gropping. Yeah, I got virtually molested by the security guard before he let me in, checking every crevice for a concealed weapon. Damn. So minorities committ more crimes because they are arrested at a higher rate, right? Man, I don't even get touched by the bouncer whenever I go to a predominantly asian party.
4) The cover - 20$. Pretty sizeable for this "oppressed" group of minorities, right? So they don't have money to buy themselves books, but they can spend it on bling and drinking apparently.
Thursday, August 16, 2007
Episode 2
Allright.
I DO NOT like reality TV.
I think it is a huge waste of time and makes people care more about idiots and their personal drama rather than the world around them (things like genocide, poverty, abuses of religion/other false beliefs).
But, also, one can learn about people through TV. In particular, one show: the pickup artist.
Episode Two of the Pick up Artist
Uh, someone please tell me if I'm being paranoid by singling out the Asian guy for particular ridicule and being paranoid that it was an asian guy who this happened to.
Mystery said that EVERYONE goes through the paralyzing fear of approach anxiety.
I should temper his words.
I think there are disparities in who goes through approach anxiety depending on how their body handles various stress hormones. And also, after seeing hordes of asian men stand by the sidelines in clubs while alpha white and black men chat up their women, there is more going on.
What's the mediator to approach anxiety? Alcohol! And guess what? Asian men just can't hold their alcohol.
Do you all remember why Asian men in particular have this deficiency with being Don Juan? I again relate to you Rushton. In warm agricultural society where women were able to collect enough food for the child, men violently competed for short term mating opportunities and social dominance (through physical dominance) usually won. Thy were adept at creating attraction in short periods of time.
In colder climates, pair bonding was necessary, and because men and women developed relationships over a long period of time, the initial approach and introduction phase was never developed.
In fact, it was actually BRED OUT of Asian men through approach anxiety.
Think about it: in an organized clan, if a woman was approached and rejected a man, that guy was a goner. If a guy is rejected by a girl, why would another woman bother getting this guy as a PARTNER? So, men learned never to approach them.
In warm climates, the guy is there for a short term screw, so social status did not mean as much. You force your way onto the girl, that's it. You grunt, she grunts, ok. YOu grunt, she turns her head, no big deal. Everyone is fighting anyway.
Asian/cold climates: you participate in society and find a PARTNER.
Don't blame the media for stereotypes (I'm talking to you, fallout podcast).
Blame God.
No, I'm actually serious.
Blame God.
Because either God is CRUEL OR the religious nutjobs won't let us invest into genetic research to improve ourselves for fear of upsetting God's "perfect creation" even if the tinkering is just to let some Goddamn asian guys be able to talk to some ditz.
Yes, spoon is pathetic for not trying to improve his life. However, we have to look deeper. What is going on outside the show?
The reality show is a product designed to get ads.
The reality show also has some grounding in the real world, though.
But, hey, even the NY Times is getting a flavor of pickup artist fever! Linked to the freakonomics blog theres a post on the concept of "negging" or, insulting the woman so that she doesn't get cocky and think you want to get in her pants. Sounds strange, right? Read up previous posts on evolutionary psychology of attraction, and read up on mystery method, and finally, check out ladder theory . It ALL ultimately comes down to perceived value, which is usually transmitted through social dominance.
Things may come together.
God, the world is SO fascinating, especially when you see how everything just starts to make sense, and then on the rare occasion, your worldview gets destroyed and you advance to a new level of consciousness.
Learn about attraction, people. My aim is to destroy the monopoly on womanizing that black men, jocks, drug dealers, and rich snobs have.
The Bell Curve meets The Game!
I DO NOT like reality TV.
I think it is a huge waste of time and makes people care more about idiots and their personal drama rather than the world around them (things like genocide, poverty, abuses of religion/other false beliefs).
But, also, one can learn about people through TV. In particular, one show: the pickup artist.
Episode Two of the Pick up Artist
Uh, someone please tell me if I'm being paranoid by singling out the Asian guy for particular ridicule and being paranoid that it was an asian guy who this happened to.
Mystery said that EVERYONE goes through the paralyzing fear of approach anxiety.
I should temper his words.
I think there are disparities in who goes through approach anxiety depending on how their body handles various stress hormones. And also, after seeing hordes of asian men stand by the sidelines in clubs while alpha white and black men chat up their women, there is more going on.
What's the mediator to approach anxiety? Alcohol! And guess what? Asian men just can't hold their alcohol.
Do you all remember why Asian men in particular have this deficiency with being Don Juan? I again relate to you Rushton. In warm agricultural society where women were able to collect enough food for the child, men violently competed for short term mating opportunities and social dominance (through physical dominance) usually won. Thy were adept at creating attraction in short periods of time.
In colder climates, pair bonding was necessary, and because men and women developed relationships over a long period of time, the initial approach and introduction phase was never developed.
In fact, it was actually BRED OUT of Asian men through approach anxiety.
Think about it: in an organized clan, if a woman was approached and rejected a man, that guy was a goner. If a guy is rejected by a girl, why would another woman bother getting this guy as a PARTNER? So, men learned never to approach them.
In warm climates, the guy is there for a short term screw, so social status did not mean as much. You force your way onto the girl, that's it. You grunt, she grunts, ok. YOu grunt, she turns her head, no big deal. Everyone is fighting anyway.
Asian/cold climates: you participate in society and find a PARTNER.
Don't blame the media for stereotypes (I'm talking to you, fallout podcast).
Blame God.
No, I'm actually serious.
Blame God.
Because either God is CRUEL OR the religious nutjobs won't let us invest into genetic research to improve ourselves for fear of upsetting God's "perfect creation" even if the tinkering is just to let some Goddamn asian guys be able to talk to some ditz.
Yes, spoon is pathetic for not trying to improve his life. However, we have to look deeper. What is going on outside the show?
The reality show is a product designed to get ads.
The reality show also has some grounding in the real world, though.
But, hey, even the NY Times is getting a flavor of pickup artist fever! Linked to the freakonomics blog theres a post on the concept of "negging" or, insulting the woman so that she doesn't get cocky and think you want to get in her pants. Sounds strange, right? Read up previous posts on evolutionary psychology of attraction, and read up on mystery method, and finally, check out ladder theory . It ALL ultimately comes down to perceived value, which is usually transmitted through social dominance.
Things may come together.
God, the world is SO fascinating, especially when you see how everything just starts to make sense, and then on the rare occasion, your worldview gets destroyed and you advance to a new level of consciousness.
Learn about attraction, people. My aim is to destroy the monopoly on womanizing that black men, jocks, drug dealers, and rich snobs have.
The Bell Curve meets The Game!
Sunday, August 12, 2007
Who pays first?
New article on MSNBC on who pays first men or women?
From the article:
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There was, of course, more to it than that. But one of the things that most attracted me to my husband was his boundless generosity when it came to me.
Me -- the feminist, the aggressive professional, the battler of gender inequality wherever it lurks.
Me -- the woman who thinks the man should pay for the first date.
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I'm really trying to figure this one out. The three tenets of the mystery method approach:
Demonstration of Higher Value
Neg
Time Constraint
All three together + decent body language = relatively good pickup.
However, if someone treats the woman as the prize, then this sets up the frame that the woman already has the man, and therefore he is not a challenge. She loses interest. But, at the same time, a woman wants a man to pay for the meal. Make sense? Not really. But, that's the point.
On a logical level, the woman wants the VALIDATION of the man paying for her, but on an emotional level, she wants what she can't have (or what others have and she doesn't).
According to David Deangelo, "Sex is an economic gain."
On hundreds of pop culture articles as well as psychology textbooks, the methodology of attraction usually follows:
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Perhaps we can rationalize that our desire for a man to pay is the modern version of an age-old evolutionary urge. The female of any species gravitates toward a mate who can provide for her and any potential offspring, says Boyce Watkins, a finance professor at Syracuse University and author of "Financial Lovemaking 101."
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But, what most articles FAIL to note is that if a woman is cheating on her husband, she is MORE likely to do it when she is ovulating. Ahh, so that adds a twist to the simple resources-sex equation. Women want to maximize their reproductive utility, whether it comes in the form of a rich man or the genes of an alpha male.
Either way, there is still tremendous hypocrisy to modern feminism, which demands that men pay for women, but at the same time, we are not allowed to have sex with prostitutes.
Sex is an economic game, people. It's high time the media stops sprouting pop psychology and really delve into the evolutionary psychology of attraction.
From the article:
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There was, of course, more to it than that. But one of the things that most attracted me to my husband was his boundless generosity when it came to me.
Me -- the feminist, the aggressive professional, the battler of gender inequality wherever it lurks.
Me -- the woman who thinks the man should pay for the first date.
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I'm really trying to figure this one out. The three tenets of the mystery method approach:
Demonstration of Higher Value
Neg
Time Constraint
All three together + decent body language = relatively good pickup.
However, if someone treats the woman as the prize, then this sets up the frame that the woman already has the man, and therefore he is not a challenge. She loses interest. But, at the same time, a woman wants a man to pay for the meal. Make sense? Not really. But, that's the point.
On a logical level, the woman wants the VALIDATION of the man paying for her, but on an emotional level, she wants what she can't have (or what others have and she doesn't).
According to David Deangelo, "Sex is an economic gain."
On hundreds of pop culture articles as well as psychology textbooks, the methodology of attraction usually follows:
----
Perhaps we can rationalize that our desire for a man to pay is the modern version of an age-old evolutionary urge. The female of any species gravitates toward a mate who can provide for her and any potential offspring, says Boyce Watkins, a finance professor at Syracuse University and author of "Financial Lovemaking 101."
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But, what most articles FAIL to note is that if a woman is cheating on her husband, she is MORE likely to do it when she is ovulating. Ahh, so that adds a twist to the simple resources-sex equation. Women want to maximize their reproductive utility, whether it comes in the form of a rich man or the genes of an alpha male.
Either way, there is still tremendous hypocrisy to modern feminism, which demands that men pay for women, but at the same time, we are not allowed to have sex with prostitutes.
Sex is an economic game, people. It's high time the media stops sprouting pop psychology and really delve into the evolutionary psychology of attraction.
Friday, August 10, 2007
!
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"a damning report outlined the many mistakes of ACS caseworkers investigating claims of child abuse and neglect after 10 children died as a result of mishandled investigations.
That number may rise, as Staten Islander Hailey Gonzalez is clinging to life at Richmond University Medical Center, West Brighton, after allegedly being beaten by her mother, Marlene Medina and her boy friend, Edwin Garcia.
Hailey's biological father, Maunel Gonzalez, is currently serving a two-year prison term for beating her in a Brooklyn apartment earlier this year."
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Who are the most neglected victims of political correctness? It is the kids who have no one to talk to when their parents beat them up.
Having children is a privelege, not a right. People should have IQ tests before they have kids. Despite this being extremely beneficial for the children, it will be considered a violation of civil rights. Mandatory sterilization, removed only after showing competence at life. That's fair.
"a damning report outlined the many mistakes of ACS caseworkers investigating claims of child abuse and neglect after 10 children died as a result of mishandled investigations.
That number may rise, as Staten Islander Hailey Gonzalez is clinging to life at Richmond University Medical Center, West Brighton, after allegedly being beaten by her mother, Marlene Medina and her boy friend, Edwin Garcia.
Hailey's biological father, Maunel Gonzalez, is currently serving a two-year prison term for beating her in a Brooklyn apartment earlier this year."
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Who are the most neglected victims of political correctness? It is the kids who have no one to talk to when their parents beat them up.
Having children is a privelege, not a right. People should have IQ tests before they have kids. Despite this being extremely beneficial for the children, it will be considered a violation of civil rights. Mandatory sterilization, removed only after showing competence at life. That's fair.
The Pickup Artist
Try checking out Mystery's new show on VH1, the pickup artist.
What I'm curious about is how much social conditioning can change genetics.
What I'm curious about is how much social conditioning can change genetics.
Sunday, August 5, 2007
The allure of the jerk
I have always varied between being utterly dellusioned and totally fascinated with the psychology of dating. Especially when it comes to the jerk phenomenon, that women always SAY that they are looking for a nice, sensitive guy, but always end up with the jerk. I wondered why my other post, on smart guys and dating from David DeAngelo, got alot of response. It's a universal phemonenon.
Anyway, there's the evolutionary psychology. Girl's eggs are the prize. They have to maximize either the genetic quality of their kid, or ensure a steady supply of resources to feed herself and the newborn. Now, going back to 50,000 BC, what would ensure that a male was high status? Social dominance. And guess what? Today's jerk is the modern reincarnation of the socially dominant caveman from our pre-stone age days.
What is even more interesting, beyond the self-imposed frustration of women (who claim that all men are assholes, while they actively seek out the asshole) is the media's attempt to rationalize this behavior, or deny it.
Check out this article on today's msn
Check out this article on today's msn?
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For whatever reason, there are a surprising number of women who are attracted to guys who can’t commit, who can’t relate, who can’t get along with anyone, who can’t tell the truth… these guys get a lot of action.
It’s not that women really want jerks, exactly. I think it’s a matter of mistaking emotional clutter for emotional complexity
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Now, how does the mechanism work? Nature designed women to be more emotional and intuitive than men, because women survived by being able to understand other people and social interactions, NOT hunt. So, in order to get a woman to do something, nature had to program women to react emotionally to anything that was in their evolutionary interest. Women were selected to make emotional decisions, not logical ones. So, over the course of tens of thousands of years of evolution, nature solidified the attraction-emotion connection in women. So, how to make a woman fall for you? Stimulate her emotions.
A very long post from a blog on Indian men by some woman who got a little hyped over one guy
http://datinganindian.blogspot.com/2005/09/another-all-too-common-story-of-indian.html#comments
but one of the comments I found interesting:
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This is easily one of the most disturbing stories I have come across. Once again the eternal truth that "Jerks get the women while Nice Guys finish last" has been proven!!! I don't know which man, Indian or not, would be in love with one woman and at the same time sleep with another of the same name. He was a first class jerk and he got two women not including one more female arranged by his family in India. This just goes to show that if you are a good and decent man you just cannot attract a woman. Look at what has happened with this person. He kept treating her like sh*t and she kept going to him again and again. Now i am not saying that women consciously wud go after men that will cheat on them or treat them poorly but at the gut level they r attracted towards such men. It defies explanation, even women wud disprove it but now its a proven fact. I initially used to think that this whole "Nice Guys" theory was bull but now I have come across so much that I am just accepting it. Women are indeed attracted to jerks that treat them like sh*t!!!!!
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Just thinking about my own life. Every time I've been portrayed as a jerk, its always been that the girl was psycho on the other end. I think if more people studied evolutionary psychology without political correctness then things could go alot smoother. Whenever I'm mean, I do better. Why??????
So, nice guys, get an edge to your persona and stimulate their emotions.
Here is an excerpt from a Real Social Dynamics article by Tyler Durden, the pen name for a big pickup guru. It's available in the Real Social Dynamics community discussion board, a pretty interesting place.
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SO, WHAT DO WOMEN WANT?
I recall having a convo with Toecutter about his friend who would walk up to women, and tell them that he was rich and wanted to marry them.
He would weave the story, work it, and sleep with them that night. Then he'd blow them off the next day, leaving them heartbroken.
Now my first reaction to this was to be appalled.
I questioned my respect for Toecutter, and generally wondered what he could possibly be thinking. How could he justify this sort of thing?
He said that I was living in an AFC mindset, and that women LOVED "to have their hopes and dreams shattered by scoundrels like Han Solo" and such, and that it was something that they actually WANTED.
He suggested that I read NANCY FRIDAY "My Secret Garden", to read about women's rape fantasies, and how repressive society has generated a common female fantasy for ******s who will break down their socially-taught resistance, and treat them like the "dirty" girls that deep down they know themselves to be.
From reading the book, I interpreted it as saying that the guy tricking/forcing the girl into sex, and leaving her was the girl's way of CONFIRMING that he was the kind of guy that she wants. (sort of to say that the jerk/******/untamable behaviour was some sort of CERTIFICATION that the girl has been fertalized by an alpha-seed, or something bizarre to that effect).
Very weird, and disturbing. I did NOT like reading this, nor do I necessarily like it now.
Basically, I interpreted that girls like DRAMA of ANY kind. They want INTENSE emotional drama. As Alphahot mentioned in a post a few threads below this one, they gravitate towards sources of extreme emotions. Scoundrels who use them and thus give them drama. And they gravitate towards it.
Of course, I was skeptical, and even after reading Nancy Friday I still maintained the view that these fantasies were anomolies, and that most women did not want this sort of thing.
Eddy also read this book, and shared my opinion. Be both generally hated it, and I recall Eddy throwing the book across the room several times.
Other PUAs who visit us comment on how scuffed up the book is, as Eddy has thrown it literally on almost every occassion he's read it, screaming "that could be my own mom!!! that could be my own mooooommmmmm!!!! ARGHHHHHH!!!"
WOMEN'S REACTIONS:
Now, when I walk into a room on campus, women start giggling and checking me out. They touch me, shit test me immediately to see if I really AM what I project, and show massive physical IOIs (face me, lean in, perk up their breasts, lick their lips, big eyes, etc etc etc).
I do NOTHING other than just walk into the room, and convey the attitude that's discussed in this post.
"I will fuck you the second you let your guard down, because I am a ****** and that's just me" is the image that I convey, and women respond instantly.
Of course, MOST women will be initially ATTRACTED, but still won't sleep with me from that feeling alone. They can’t quite justify their desire, because of social-conditioning.
So the SOLUTION: Show that they have a CHANCE to tame you, and that you have a sensitive inside somewhere deep down.. -> GET RAPPORT.
what have I learned?
Toecutter explained that women WILLFULLY IGNORE the truth, in order to preserve the feelings that they are deriving from the massive drama that you provide.
Anyway, Toecutter states that the girls who were "duped" by the marriage trick were in fact WELL-AWARE that it was clearly bullshit, but that they WANTED to go along with it, so that they could experience the ADVENTURE.
She WILLFULLY DECEIVES HERSELF to believe what she wants, because she likes the DRAMA and ADVENTURE.
Same goes with *******'s other long term girlfriends, who KNOW, read *KNOW*, that he is constantly with other women.
But still they CHOOSE to IGNORE it, because he provides the drama that they want.
And as a BONUS, they get to go home and spend time convincing their parents and friends how great ******* is, which gives them even MORE drama.
So that's it. I get it now. Women aren't like what I thought. Or rather, at least when it comes to SEX.
The girls that I thought were 'nice' have revealed that they've been fucked by anonymous guys, loved it, and want it again.
The girls that I thought were LOYAL to their boyfriends have called them from my bed, GUILT-FREE, lying about where they were last night like it was NOTHING.
I've found that girls break guys into categories of SEDUCERS and EMOTIONAL SUPPORTERS, and that if I don't want my girl to cheat on me, she's gonna have to get her drama from ME, and not from some asshole player.
what kind of girl do I look for when I'm ready to have children or get married?
only AFTER you hookup do you start communicating GENUINELY.
The FIRST genuine conversation happens in bed together, AFTER THE GAME IS OVER, and you find out whether or not this was just a validation-game, or if its an emotional connection.
And do *I* necessarily want the games? Nope.
I remember when I first did clubs, and I'd tease a high calibre HB. Say a 9 or 10. And she'd touch me, and say that she liked me. But as soon as I'd RECIPROCATE that, she'd LOSE INTEREST. It was a SHIT TEST, NOT genuine communication. Or was it? Was it genuinely communicating that she wanted to see if I was really the jerk she wanted me to be, and that she had to test me to find out?
Do shit tests constitute genuine communication? The girl is tricking you, to find your true nature. But then, if you pass, you genuinely will hookup with her. So is the girl genuine, or not? Not necessarily an easy question to answer.
YES, I have MANY genuine emotional connections with girls. My sister, her friends, my pivots, my relatives, my teachers. The girls that I am ALREADY with – my 3 MLTRS.
But NOT with girls that I am in the MIDST of picking up, because it is still *GAME-ON*.
Afterwards, once I have PROVEN myself to be the kind of man that she wants, I can get to know her on a more personal and genuine level. Until then, it is about SEXUAL ATTRACTION, which is NOT necessarily related to genuine communication. It CAN be, but it isn’t necessarily the case.
And why? Because there are several types of attraction, and while we may make socially based value judgements on which are more legitimate, the fact remains that they EXIST.
And of course, if genuine communication in the TRADITIONAL SENSE was the BASIS of ATTRACTION, then I suppose I’d probably be hooked up with the very fat and ugly girl from my history class, with whom I had a great conversation with last fall.
But then, the attractive girls I bed will most often BACKWARDS RATIONALIZE whatever nice things she finds out about me, and probably decide that THOSE things were CLEARLY what allowed her to be seduced by me. Of course that’s all after the fact. Contingencies.
This is how the game is played bros, at least in my personal opinion. Just the opinion of a new PUA, trying to make sense of all of this. Some of it is probably dead-on, and some of its probably inaccurate. Take it for what its worth.
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Read the full article, lots of interesting stuff in here.
Anyway, last night I was out and this girl was acting very upset, so I asked her why she was so upset and she said it was because her dog died. Damn, that's a bummer. Then, I made a comment about her eating meat and being hypocritical about being upset over a dog. Instead of being slapped, I actually came close to making out with her. Weird.
Then, I met a cool mexican dude on the train. Seemed like a decent guy. But damn, if this guy is not going to pay taxes or get health insurance, screw that. I want to keep the US strong. I don't want a nation of lawn mowers.
Anyway, there's the evolutionary psychology. Girl's eggs are the prize. They have to maximize either the genetic quality of their kid, or ensure a steady supply of resources to feed herself and the newborn. Now, going back to 50,000 BC, what would ensure that a male was high status? Social dominance. And guess what? Today's jerk is the modern reincarnation of the socially dominant caveman from our pre-stone age days.
What is even more interesting, beyond the self-imposed frustration of women (who claim that all men are assholes, while they actively seek out the asshole) is the media's attempt to rationalize this behavior, or deny it.
Check out this article on today's msn
Check out this article on today's msn?
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For whatever reason, there are a surprising number of women who are attracted to guys who can’t commit, who can’t relate, who can’t get along with anyone, who can’t tell the truth… these guys get a lot of action.
It’s not that women really want jerks, exactly. I think it’s a matter of mistaking emotional clutter for emotional complexity
-----
Now, how does the mechanism work? Nature designed women to be more emotional and intuitive than men, because women survived by being able to understand other people and social interactions, NOT hunt. So, in order to get a woman to do something, nature had to program women to react emotionally to anything that was in their evolutionary interest. Women were selected to make emotional decisions, not logical ones. So, over the course of tens of thousands of years of evolution, nature solidified the attraction-emotion connection in women. So, how to make a woman fall for you? Stimulate her emotions.
A very long post from a blog on Indian men by some woman who got a little hyped over one guy
http://datinganindian.blogspot.com/2005/09/another-all-too-common-story-of-indian.html#comments
but one of the comments I found interesting:
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This is easily one of the most disturbing stories I have come across. Once again the eternal truth that "Jerks get the women while Nice Guys finish last" has been proven!!! I don't know which man, Indian or not, would be in love with one woman and at the same time sleep with another of the same name. He was a first class jerk and he got two women not including one more female arranged by his family in India. This just goes to show that if you are a good and decent man you just cannot attract a woman. Look at what has happened with this person. He kept treating her like sh*t and she kept going to him again and again. Now i am not saying that women consciously wud go after men that will cheat on them or treat them poorly but at the gut level they r attracted towards such men. It defies explanation, even women wud disprove it but now its a proven fact. I initially used to think that this whole "Nice Guys" theory was bull but now I have come across so much that I am just accepting it. Women are indeed attracted to jerks that treat them like sh*t!!!!!
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Just thinking about my own life. Every time I've been portrayed as a jerk, its always been that the girl was psycho on the other end. I think if more people studied evolutionary psychology without political correctness then things could go alot smoother. Whenever I'm mean, I do better. Why??????
So, nice guys, get an edge to your persona and stimulate their emotions.
Here is an excerpt from a Real Social Dynamics article by Tyler Durden, the pen name for a big pickup guru. It's available in the Real Social Dynamics community discussion board, a pretty interesting place.
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SO, WHAT DO WOMEN WANT?
I recall having a convo with Toecutter about his friend who would walk up to women, and tell them that he was rich and wanted to marry them.
He would weave the story, work it, and sleep with them that night. Then he'd blow them off the next day, leaving them heartbroken.
Now my first reaction to this was to be appalled.
I questioned my respect for Toecutter, and generally wondered what he could possibly be thinking. How could he justify this sort of thing?
He said that I was living in an AFC mindset, and that women LOVED "to have their hopes and dreams shattered by scoundrels like Han Solo" and such, and that it was something that they actually WANTED.
He suggested that I read NANCY FRIDAY "My Secret Garden", to read about women's rape fantasies, and how repressive society has generated a common female fantasy for ******s who will break down their socially-taught resistance, and treat them like the "dirty" girls that deep down they know themselves to be.
From reading the book, I interpreted it as saying that the guy tricking/forcing the girl into sex, and leaving her was the girl's way of CONFIRMING that he was the kind of guy that she wants. (sort of to say that the jerk/******/untamable behaviour was some sort of CERTIFICATION that the girl has been fertalized by an alpha-seed, or something bizarre to that effect).
Very weird, and disturbing. I did NOT like reading this, nor do I necessarily like it now.
Basically, I interpreted that girls like DRAMA of ANY kind. They want INTENSE emotional drama. As Alphahot mentioned in a post a few threads below this one, they gravitate towards sources of extreme emotions. Scoundrels who use them and thus give them drama. And they gravitate towards it.
Of course, I was skeptical, and even after reading Nancy Friday I still maintained the view that these fantasies were anomolies, and that most women did not want this sort of thing.
Eddy also read this book, and shared my opinion. Be both generally hated it, and I recall Eddy throwing the book across the room several times.
Other PUAs who visit us comment on how scuffed up the book is, as Eddy has thrown it literally on almost every occassion he's read it, screaming "that could be my own mom!!! that could be my own mooooommmmmm!!!! ARGHHHHHH!!!"
WOMEN'S REACTIONS:
Now, when I walk into a room on campus, women start giggling and checking me out. They touch me, shit test me immediately to see if I really AM what I project, and show massive physical IOIs (face me, lean in, perk up their breasts, lick their lips, big eyes, etc etc etc).
I do NOTHING other than just walk into the room, and convey the attitude that's discussed in this post.
"I will fuck you the second you let your guard down, because I am a ****** and that's just me" is the image that I convey, and women respond instantly.
Of course, MOST women will be initially ATTRACTED, but still won't sleep with me from that feeling alone. They can’t quite justify their desire, because of social-conditioning.
So the SOLUTION: Show that they have a CHANCE to tame you, and that you have a sensitive inside somewhere deep down.. -> GET RAPPORT.
what have I learned?
Toecutter explained that women WILLFULLY IGNORE the truth, in order to preserve the feelings that they are deriving from the massive drama that you provide.
Anyway, Toecutter states that the girls who were "duped" by the marriage trick were in fact WELL-AWARE that it was clearly bullshit, but that they WANTED to go along with it, so that they could experience the ADVENTURE.
She WILLFULLY DECEIVES HERSELF to believe what she wants, because she likes the DRAMA and ADVENTURE.
Same goes with *******'s other long term girlfriends, who KNOW, read *KNOW*, that he is constantly with other women.
But still they CHOOSE to IGNORE it, because he provides the drama that they want.
And as a BONUS, they get to go home and spend time convincing their parents and friends how great ******* is, which gives them even MORE drama.
So that's it. I get it now. Women aren't like what I thought. Or rather, at least when it comes to SEX.
The girls that I thought were 'nice' have revealed that they've been fucked by anonymous guys, loved it, and want it again.
The girls that I thought were LOYAL to their boyfriends have called them from my bed, GUILT-FREE, lying about where they were last night like it was NOTHING.
I've found that girls break guys into categories of SEDUCERS and EMOTIONAL SUPPORTERS, and that if I don't want my girl to cheat on me, she's gonna have to get her drama from ME, and not from some asshole player.
what kind of girl do I look for when I'm ready to have children or get married?
only AFTER you hookup do you start communicating GENUINELY.
The FIRST genuine conversation happens in bed together, AFTER THE GAME IS OVER, and you find out whether or not this was just a validation-game, or if its an emotional connection.
And do *I* necessarily want the games? Nope.
I remember when I first did clubs, and I'd tease a high calibre HB. Say a 9 or 10. And she'd touch me, and say that she liked me. But as soon as I'd RECIPROCATE that, she'd LOSE INTEREST. It was a SHIT TEST, NOT genuine communication. Or was it? Was it genuinely communicating that she wanted to see if I was really the jerk she wanted me to be, and that she had to test me to find out?
Do shit tests constitute genuine communication? The girl is tricking you, to find your true nature. But then, if you pass, you genuinely will hookup with her. So is the girl genuine, or not? Not necessarily an easy question to answer.
YES, I have MANY genuine emotional connections with girls. My sister, her friends, my pivots, my relatives, my teachers. The girls that I am ALREADY with – my 3 MLTRS.
But NOT with girls that I am in the MIDST of picking up, because it is still *GAME-ON*.
Afterwards, once I have PROVEN myself to be the kind of man that she wants, I can get to know her on a more personal and genuine level. Until then, it is about SEXUAL ATTRACTION, which is NOT necessarily related to genuine communication. It CAN be, but it isn’t necessarily the case.
And why? Because there are several types of attraction, and while we may make socially based value judgements on which are more legitimate, the fact remains that they EXIST.
And of course, if genuine communication in the TRADITIONAL SENSE was the BASIS of ATTRACTION, then I suppose I’d probably be hooked up with the very fat and ugly girl from my history class, with whom I had a great conversation with last fall.
But then, the attractive girls I bed will most often BACKWARDS RATIONALIZE whatever nice things she finds out about me, and probably decide that THOSE things were CLEARLY what allowed her to be seduced by me. Of course that’s all after the fact. Contingencies.
This is how the game is played bros, at least in my personal opinion. Just the opinion of a new PUA, trying to make sense of all of this. Some of it is probably dead-on, and some of its probably inaccurate. Take it for what its worth.
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Read the full article, lots of interesting stuff in here.
Anyway, last night I was out and this girl was acting very upset, so I asked her why she was so upset and she said it was because her dog died. Damn, that's a bummer. Then, I made a comment about her eating meat and being hypocritical about being upset over a dog. Instead of being slapped, I actually came close to making out with her. Weird.
Then, I met a cool mexican dude on the train. Seemed like a decent guy. But damn, if this guy is not going to pay taxes or get health insurance, screw that. I want to keep the US strong. I don't want a nation of lawn mowers.
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