So, promoting women to be more sluttier and condemning Islam, I thought I found a good target in opposing Roissy's post
December 24, 2008 by roissy
Thought Experiment #1
All else equal, which girl is more likely to get pumped and dumped?:
a. an “adventurous” girl who played musical chairs with the mouths of five guys in a bar one night and banged a local emo rocker in the coatroom an hour after they met.
b. a virgin.
Thought Experiment #2
A normal, emotionally stable man with a good job has been on one date with a girl he likes. She is into him. He didn’t close, but feels confident it will happen soon. One night, in his favorite bar, one of the bartenders (a guy known to be plugged into the local social scene), unaware that the man has been on one date with the girl in this story, tells the man he saw the girl making out with a random dude a couple weeks before their first date, and that a few months ago she banged one of the other bartenders.
Would this man be
a. more likely
b. less likely
to arrange an inspired, creative second date with her? to pay for her drink on the second date? to see her for longer than three months after they’ve started screwing?
So my take is simple. Hey, let women be as slutty as they want. If you want to condemn someone, condemn meat eaters, condemn people who buy SUVs. Condemn Muslims, condemn religious fanatics who push religion. Condemn corrupt wall street goons. But slutty women? Come on.
Anyway, so this was my response:
Look Roissy, I know that you are FACTUALLY correct in saying that men will treat sluts and prudish women differently. That’s a law of human nature.
BUT, this is not to say that there remains a MORAL DOUBLE STANDARD in the world.
In the Islamic world, it’s ok for men to have multiple wives, while women who cheat on their husbands are pariahs in society.
Islam is a brutal religion. It pains me to see this blog extolling the same morality that Islam preaches.
We all know what evo psych says about human sexual behavior. Just try not to push it into the moral realm.
Eh. His response:
"That’s a law of human nature."
would a person be happier if he lived more in accordance with human nature, or less?
"BUT, this is not to say that there remains a MORAL DOUBLE STANDARD in the world."
reasoned morality is an emergent outgrowth of human nature, and as a second order phenomenon, it fluctuates more wildly, which is why you can observe wide disparities in how one culture treats its sluts compared to another culture. naturally, is != ought, and human nature shouldn’t dictate to us how we conduct our lives, but it’s also true that the more removed our morality is from our relatively immutable evolved natures, the less happy we’ll feel and the more likely we’ll wind up screwing ourselves in the biggest market that matters — the sexual market.
"In the Islamic world, it’s ok for men to have multiple wives, while women who cheat on their husbands are pariahs in society."
double standards are a consequence of human nature. no one said life was fair.
"Islam is a brutal religion. It pains me to see this blog extolling the same morality that Islam preaches."
ugh, dude. you’re putting words in my blog. please don’t pull a chic. one of her is enough. one, polygamy would be a disaster for the west, which i’ve written about here. two, i obviously don’t advocate stoning adulterous women like the more regressive strains of islam. i do say that the male impulse to avoid committing to slutty girls is hardwired and serves a useful purpose — that of protecting men from becoming financially enslaved cockolds. since this impulse has ostensibly been with us for millions of years, it stands to reason that a morality which takes into account the greater danger of female infidelity and promiscuity and attempts to mitigate its expression will benefit a cooperative western-style society more than a morality that gives free rein to women to slut it up without consequence.
of course, the more women are shamed into being sexually chaste, the less fly-by-night nookie guys like me will haul home, but i never claimed that the good of the individual and the good of the whole were perfectly compatible.
"Just try not to push it into the moral realm."
you cannot sever morality from human nature. morality is just a highly evolved mechanism for maximizing the odds of your gene’s survival and replication through the strategy of reciprocal altruism and kin favoritism.
Anyway, slutty girls are still welcome. How many terrorists come from sexually liberal societies v. sexually repressive societies?
Update. Check out the comments section to see a debate between Roissy and some black chick. HBD meets seduction school-fascinating.